btate May 20th, 2006 08:09 AM
VDO speed sensor, can you install to cable?
Ok,
Doing the full VDO vision gauge swap as discussed frequently.
(94 d90 r-380)
I saw a post that linked ECU problems (throwing codes and check engine lights) to lack of factory speed sensor input. This tells computer what speed the truck is driving. From what I can figure the speedo cable goes into a sensor housing that sends this info.
My question….is there a problem with simple placing the speedometer end of the old speedo cable into the VDO speed sensor??
It will take some rigging, but the factory plastic connector is not the best setup anyway, I could get it at least that strong??
It seems that it would elimate some problems and be alot simple install????
Thanks
Bryan
Follow-up Post:
Maybe I am missing something.
Does the new sensor install to t-case (maybe it doesn’t bypass the old sensor)?
or does it install to back side of the vss?
souza May 20th, 2006 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by btate
Does the new sensor install to t-case (maybe it doesn’t bypass the old sensor)?
or does it install to back side of the vss?
bryan
The ‘new’ sensor you’re talking about is the hall effect sender, right? I just did this install last week on my truck. The hall effect sender is installed after the vehicle speed sender, which you must keep. That is, you’ve got a cable from the transfer case to the little box on the frame (VSS). Out of that box some wires go to the ECU, and another cable runs up into the engine bay then through the bulkhead to the back of the stock speedo. This is your ’speedometer cable’ and the one that you’ll modify in option 1 below. You do have to keep the factory vehicle speed sensor else you’ll have the code issues, etc., that you mention. So to install the VDO, you have two options:
1, have a speedo shop cut down the long cable to the speedo into a small cable with the stock end for the vss and a ‘new’ 7/8″ GM end which is screwed into the ‘new’ hall effect sender. The hall effect sender has 3 wires that run to the back of the VDO speedo (12v, signal, Grnd). This seems to be the standard route, and is what I did, but it cost more than expected for the cable modfication ($50)
2, I just found out today there is another option, less expensive because you don’t need the hall effect sendor or the cable modification, but also seems easier. You can simply tap into one of the wires coming from the vss (little box between speedo cables) and run a wire directly to the VDO Speedo for a pulse signal. I think I read that the vss has 2 wires, a green and yellow, both go up to the ECU. There may be another wire, but either way it’s the yellow wire that sends the speed pulse signal to the ECU (Green is 12v power). Apparently this signal can also be read by the VDO speedo, you just run it straight to pin 8 on the back of the VDO.
I found this new option looking back at some old posts to the D90 yahoo group. I wish I had read this before buying the hall effect sender and sending out the speedo cable! I’d be interested to see how it works if you go this route. It seems the simpler way for sure.
Good luck, let me know how it goes.
-Dave
btate May 21st, 2006 05:08 AM
great,
your approach sounds simple.
I will try it this morning if time allows.
I also saw this from a buddy Tom Peacock….
As for the new VDO cable, it has the wrong fitting to sinc up to the OEM cable and can’t plug directly into the TC. I read a the thread on this site in the FAQ’s about switching to the VDO programmable speedo, and it said to go to a speedometer shop and:
1. Tell them you will bring in the new VDO sender/cable and your old cable.
2. Ask them to install a 7/8″ x 18 male end onto your old cable. This new male end gets installed on the speedometer end of the cable, and this (newly shortened) cable only needs to be 3-4″ long. The existing female end of your original cable is retained.
3. Using this new short cable as an adapter, screw the original female end into the little frame mounted box right where it used to go, and screw the new male end into the female end of the VDO sender/cable, and zip-tie the sender box (which is a cube about 1-1/2″ on each side) to the frame so it doesn’t bounce around.
4. Hook up the speedo end of the sender/cable to the VDO speedo.
5. Calibrate per directions.
6. Drive around in complete confidence that your speedometer is accurate for a change.
btate May 21st, 2006 07:35 AM
Ok,
I found the yellow wire and taped into ready to hook up to speedo
The Hall effect sender installation shows to connect to pin 6 & 8 (not just 
Do still recommend going to pin 8 only?
Thanks
souza May 21st, 2006 09:04 AM
What I read said pin 8 only. I’d try that first, then if it doesn’t work, try 6 & 8. I just 2x checked the speedo instructions, it says 6 & 8 for the hall effect, 7 & 8 for the inductive, and just 8 for using an ‘electronic’ transmission. In this case, that’s you 
loykd May 30th, 2006 10:16 PM
Dave, where did you get your speedo cable modified?
souza May 31st, 2006 04:39 AM
Don’t bother Ken, just hook it straight up to the VSS like Bryan did. Right to Pin 8 on the speedo. I’m pretty sure he got it working, we were emailing offline. Last I know he just needed to calibrate it.
But if you still want to send it out, I got mine done at Hartford Speedometer in Connecticut (check yahoo yellow pages). Cost like $65 with shipping, and took several conversations to explain what I wanted. Of course, I didn’t send them the new hall effect sender b/c I already had it installed and wired-up.
btate May 31st, 2006 05:00 AM
Correct,
I taped staight into the VSS and sent the Hall effect unit back to e-gauges.
BUT…. I haven’t calibrated yet. I have adjusted the pulses so I am close. But I just got the 33’s on and haven’t gotten out yet to make sure I can dial it in. I feel confident it will work, I had the pulses to high and the needle shot around quickly….ran the miles up fast also.
I lowered the pulses and got the needle to move smoothly, just shows my speed way low now.
I will get the truck back from the stereo store in a few days and will try to find a mile marker or 2 to calibrate by the end of the week.
Bryan
Backstay July 20th, 2006 01:41 PM
I have done this now as well. Hooked up the yellow wire to pin 8, everything calibrated well and works perfectly except for one thing. …. I come to a stop and occasionally the speedo does not. It will read 30 mph or so and will increase like a tach when the truck is stopped and I rev her up. Any suggestions?
Thanks,
John
btate July 20th, 2006 02:34 PM
Ignore it? Just kidding. Mine needle tends to bounce around a bit also. I was thinking my VSS was weak/wearing? But I guess that’s the limit of the VSS. I wonder if your pin settings are correct.
I had to flip the small switches different than the original write-up by DJ. Mine does go to zero and stays once stopped. But bounces around 10-15 just before stopping. It seems to be reading a bit low now also. I am going to recalibrate and see if it improves. I may try the Hall effect method if it gets annoying. I assume you have a good ground?
Backstay July 20th, 2006 04:03 PM
I believe my ground is good. My only issue with it continuing at a stop is the odometer also continues to tick over. I suppose I shouldn’t be worried getting all those extra miles per gallon. Thanks for the input.
John
souza July 20th, 2006 05:31 PM
John it sounds like it only either be the VSS itself or the small cable that runs from the xfer case into the VSS. Do you also have trouble with the idle of the truck while that’s happening? Not throughing and codes is it?
scoloco July 30th, 2006 08:26 AM
VDO - VSS hookup?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Backstay
I have done this now as well. Hooked up the yellow wire to pin 8, everything calibrated well and works perfectly except for one thing. …. I come to a stop and occasionally the speedo does not. It will read 30 mph or so and will increase like a tach when the truck is stopped and I rev her up. Any suggestions?
Thanks,
John
Ok so I *finally* got around to hooking up my new VDO. I tapped into the yellow wire, went to pin8 (very small guage wire). Calibrated via auto-calibration (came to around 10310 pulses if I read it correctly). Speedo is all over the place. I’ll be chugging along at something slow (20mph?) and the needle will go up to 30, and/or 40mph, for a bit before coming back to 20. When I stop it again sits at 20 or 30 before dropping to 0. Once at 0 though, it stays there.
Any thoughts? Or is it just a really dirty signal. Different, or bigger guage wire going to make a difference?
FWIW, I tapped it in the engine bay, top rear right corner where the wire comes up to a plug.
btate July 30th, 2006 09:02 AM
This is sounding like a pattern. Mine Jumps also. Seemed to work initially but it wasn’t even close to calibrated so that may have dampened the bounce.
My bet is the Factory VSS is not a reliable signal for the VDO swap.
I just got used to it. Seems like a good way to get out of a speeding ticket?? Kidding
If I find a speedo shop I may reorder the Hall effect sender and go that route.
Someone else mentioned that the 97 and 94 were different and that maybe a 97 would be smoother?
But I have not looked up part numbers to verify. Something about it plugging into the transfer case directly.
But I don’t have a 97 close by to verify.
Bryan
souza July 31st, 2006 07:12 AM
What a disappointment. I’m pretty sure the info I got of the old Yahoo groups archives was for the pre-97 trucks though. Of course, those trucks were 5 years newer then. I will say that mine bounces a bit, even using the hall effect and modified cable. Not bad, but cruising along steady it will move up and down 1-3 MPH sort of regularly.
I’ll tell you, you’ve got to wonder what kind of info the ECU is getting with the signal bouncing around like that. My truck idles too high for a few seconds when coming to a stop, I’ve thought it was a bad VSS.
Scott I didn’t know this wire went to the top right of the engine bay, I thought it when only from the transfer case to the ECU…. ?
scoloco July 31st, 2006 04:28 PM
I wasnt sure it would work. Wire is really thin small guage stuff and I suspect there is a lot of noise between the VSS and the speedo at this point. I was hoping for the best. Fortunately I still have the hall effect sensor that I got with the speedo (before I found out about trying the VSS wire). Guess its time to go get my cable adapted (good thing I didnt throw it out - its buggered but enough is still good to adapt).
ECU is likely just looking for a signal to know the car is not stood. With a signal that noisy I doubt it really cares too much. Besides after putting bigger tires on and regearing, no one seems to have much problem w/ the ECU, even though this would throw the signal off a bit.
As for the idle deal, I’ve had a number of cars that would do that - idle high (~1100) until it came to a dead stop and then the idle would drop to 800 or so. (This is what my speedo did - go figure). My truck used to do that but stopped not too long ago. I figured something got out of whack, but I havent dug yet and it hasnt affected anything yet.
VSS wire goes over to the right frame rail, along it for a bit, up into the engine compartment along the firewall to the upper corner where there is a plug before it goes in to the ECU. I tapped in just after the plug. (joys of having the factory manual - for once it was useful!)
loykd August 25th, 2006 10:44 PM
Is the verdict then to modify the speedo cable rather than just do the wire mod?
Scott, once you made that change (presuming you did), did the needle jumpiness go away?
btate August 26th, 2006 04:15 AM
That’s what I would do. The wire is quick and easy, but pretty much makes the speedo worthless for any accurate reading
efournier August 26th, 2006 02:33 PM
I used a brass 3/8 - 1/2 NPT adapter to mount the hall effect sender directly to the VSS. I shortened the threaded end of the adapter by a 1/8″ or so. Both senders secure well enough to the pipe thread of the adapter. I used RTV when I was assembling them and simply used the short square peg drive that came with the VDO sender. Works great.
BTW, I was not able to get the yellow wire trick to work reliably… Accurate speeds below 30-40 MPH, but would never read over 40 no matter how fast I went. Needle bounced al the time as well.
scoloco August 27th, 2006 01:10 PM
I still have the yellow wire hooked up. Needle appears steady at highway speeds (but its a bit slow right now - pulses thing in the vdo set at 5010 if I remember). On the trail (when I’m not paying attention) its still up and down whenever it feels like it.
I have the old speedo cable (its buggered) that I could cut and adapt. Still have the hall effect converter box somewhere. The speedo shop I called wanted ~$80 to fix my speedo cable …. needless to say I’ve not done it yet. Erics method of hooking the hall effect directly to the vss looks interesting… might try that next time I feel motivated.
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